Ryan Benjamin | Deliberating on the deliberations

The highly subjective method of choosing members of a group is often a detriment to all involved

· January 30, 2009, 5:00 am

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Rush just ended, which, though a relief (or disappointment) for many, also means for the time being we won't be judging people as much, at least formally.

Throughout history, in admitting people to various clubs, we often judged them on their origins - race, gender, religion, wealth: largely superficial ideals about who we wanted to belong.

For the most part, we've come a long way, and now, to select people for various groups, we often engage in intense deliberation processes to judge them on character, or at least perceived character. Though better, the current general system used by many student groups has flaws.

Take Greek life, for example. During open rush, hundreds of freshmen, scrounging for free food arrive at multiple fraternities. By no means do they speak with every member of every fraternity. Therefore, when brothers have to choose whom to "cut" that night, it's difficult to judge appropriately.

Johnny, a freshman from the Quad, didn't talk to everyone in the fraternity, so the rest of the brothers must rely on the one or two who spoke with him. "Good guy," one says.

First, what does that mean, exactly? And second, if that brother isn't well liked within the fraternity, forget it, Johnny. When it's time to vote, you're guilty by association, and you're done.

The same process, or variations of it, typically beginning with short and empty conversations and ending with a simple yes or no, also occurs in sororities and countless other campus groups.

Though fraternities have their own ways of choosing bids with "no real guidelines" from either OFSA or the University, the process is democratic, according to Wharton junior Shawn Woodhull, president of the Interfraternity Council. "Overall, the system is very well run and provides a fantastic program for freshmen," he said.

To trace the origins of this fairly arbitrary process that occurs most frequently in college, we can go back to the direct democracy of ancient Athens, where "everyone" (aka adult male citizens) was allowed to vote on just about everything. Direct democracy turned out to be fairly complicated, so in most cases it doesn't exist in modern politics.

Deliberative democracy, a modern manifestation of the Athenian version and researched by our own Amy Gutmann, encourages public deliberation to solve problems rather than simply voting.

But when it's human beings that are being debated, this quickly turns imperfect. It's hard to know people well enough to know if they'll be a good fit.

In political campaigns our decision-making process lies in "I like that guy" or "She seems honest." Yet the truth is we don't really know, and we never will, because we base our opinions largely on the media- and self-constructed images of the candidates.

If we're lucky enough to meet a candidate, it probably means taking a picture with him and nothing more. The chosen few who "intimately" know the candidates are perhaps the only ones who can legitimately say, "I like that guy." Yet we still make these assumptions.

In rushing and selection for other groups, we at least get to meet the contenders. And though this system is indubitably better than any form of lottery or fashion show, we must make it fairer.

On the Student Committee on Undergraduate Education, in which I just ended my term as secretary, we used to interview candidates (sometimes more than 70) in eight-minute blocks, hoping to bring out the best in our applicants. Unfortunately, it didn't always work.

This semester, in an effort to better get to know our contenders, we switched to a two-round system. The effects of it remain to be seen, but I imagine we will make more informed decisions as a result.

The Philomathean Society has its prospectives present on a topic of their choice, showcasing their communication skills. Perhaps another improvement could be a point-counterpoint debate between two interviewers, one for and one against the same candidate. If we're going to judge, we might as well do it right.

Or, if we're out of luck, perhaps we can return to Amy Gutmann - who I'm sure was not thinking of frat life in her extensive research on deliberative democracy. It might be wise for her to reconsider these glitches in the life of her own University when writing her next book.

Ryan Benjamin is a College senior from New Haven, Conn. A Connecticut Yankee appears on Fridays. His email address is benjamin@dailypennsylvanian.com.

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Ari Paul

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm

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Mr. Benjamin, Your article in today's DP is inaccurate and misleading. As a senior member of the Philomathean society (class of '06), I was involved in the application process of prospective members; it was far more in depth than you describe. We have a 3-step application process. You mentioned the first step which is a brief presentation on a topic of the prospective member's choice. This allows the prospective member to convey their passion for a topic as well as their communication skills. The 2nd step is a lengthy (about 1 hour) interview with 5 members. The interview includes many common questions but also allows for the candidate to discuss their passions at length. The interviewers take copious notes. The final step is a creative submission that allows the prospective member to show us their creativity and possibly an interest we hadn't covered in the previous two steps. The informal 4th step consists of the many discussions the prospective member is encouraged to have with members at our many events. While it is impossible to know someone fully after just a few months, during my time at the Philomathean Society, we went to great lengths to give prospective members every opportunity to demonstrate their passion and intellectual curiousity. Regards, Ari Paul Senior Member of the Philomathean Society Class of 2006

Ex DP columnist

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm

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Shit son, you just got served by some deliberative motherfuckers! Frats don't have time to make more intellectually rigorous decisions on rushes. The meetings take forever as it is. There are costs to everything, and your analysis fails to account for them. So suck a nut.

George Buchanan

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm

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Lady President Gutmann's expansive writings are not concerned with deliberation in the sense you describe. Actually, it seems as if what you are describing has... nothing to do with democracy at all.

Sir Chrispin, Defender of the Just

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm

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get a job. [QUOTE id="8ef4ccc7-1034-4d03-9e69-4119715143a1"]Mr. Benjamin, Your article in today's DP is inaccurate and misleading. As a senior member of the Philomathean society (class of '06), I was involved in the application process of prospective members; it was far more in depth than you describe. We have a 3-step application process. You mentioned the first step which is a brief presentation on a topic of the prospective member's choice. This allows the prospective member to convey their passion for a topic as well as their communication skills. The 2nd step is a lengthy (about 1 hour) interview with 5 members. The interview includes many common questions but also allows for the candidate to discuss their passions at length. The interviewers take copious notes. The final step is a creative submission that allows the prospective member to show us their creativity and possibly an interest we hadn't covered in the previous two steps. The informal 4th step consists of the many discussions the prospective member is encouraged to have with members at our many events. While it is impossible to know someone fully after just a few months, during my time at the Philomathean Society, we went to great lengths to give prospective members every opportunity to demonstrate their passion and intellectual curiousity. Regards, Ari Paul Senior Member of the Philomathean Society Class of 2006[/QUOTE]

Josh

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm

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I'm with Buchanan - I don't see how this issue is directly connected to deliberative democracy as formulated by Gutmann and Thompson. I'm not sure you can say deliberative democracy is a "modern manifestation of the Athenian version," except in the sense that we consider both theories forms of democracy. There are clear differences. More importantly, deliberative democracy stresses reason-giving and deliberation in public. Against Rousseau, Gutmann insists that justifications of decisions cannot simply result from private citizens searching their inner-selves for good answers and then voting accordingly. A congregation of citizens is necessary for decision making, and reasons given must be reasonable in that everyone is capable of understanding them. If we try to apply deliberative democracy to the frat system, I'm not sure the reasons often given for selecting brothers are objective enough for deliberative democracy to accept. "I like the guy" and justifications like this are inherently subjective and do not appeal to reasoning to which all deliberating members necessarily have access.

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