RD apps had better be up...way up!!

The facts that apps are down, I suspect, has little to nothing to do with Penn's popularity and much more to do with demographics - we're coming down off the echo boom.

I wonder how application numbers look for Wharton. With the resent collapse of the banking/financial industry, are people still interested in going to the business school?

I see that today the Stanford Graduate School of Business is laying off 12% of its staff.

I am sorry I was not clear. According to a previous article Penn received 3610 ED applications which did not include the 220 Questbridge applications and expected to fill 48% of the class through ED. Other institutions include the Questbridge applicants in their ED or EA numbers, Penn did not. This article revised the ED numbers to 3666. It is not clear whether the 1156 includes the 26 Questbridge applicants, but I think it does. I guess my point was that since Penn did not include the 220 Questbridge applicants as other institutions the 8% ED application drop was a smaller percentage. This was Penn's first year with Questbridge. Sorry for the confusion.

Look at it this way: Penn has accepted 1,156 out 2400 total. That means they have another 1,244 spots open. If they have a total of 22,500 applicants, which is in line with the recent decrease in ED applicants, that means they'll have: 22,500 total - 3,666 ED = 18,834 RD applications, out of which they must fill 1,244 spots. The yield is around 62% for RD, which would means Penn would need to accept about 2,010 applicants to fill 1,244 spots. (2,010/18,834)100 = 10.6% admissions rate for RD, which brings the total admit rate to: [32(3,666)+10.6(18,834)]22,500 = 14% acceptance rate. This assumes that: 1) applications do not fall by more than 500 from last year 2) almost everyone accepted ED matriculates (this is generally true) 3) the yield from last year doesn't drop anymore (this is highly unlikely, given the increased applications to HYP, meaning more rejections there, and thus a trickle down effect that benefits Penn/Columbia/Dartmouth/Brown.)

I have learned that there were 26 admitted through the Questbridge pipeline in December, and awarded full-ride packages. Thus there were at least 1,182 early admits overall - or just a hair under 50% of the predicted class of 2013.

They only filled 47% of the class which is pretty standard. Also, they did not include Questbridge applicants into their ED numbers where other schools ie Yale did.

Wait a minute, Katherine Ã? if the 47% of the class already filled from the early pool does NOT include Questbridge students (who are also virtually compelled to enroll if admitted via their own peculiar early application process, then that means that MORE THAN HALF the class is already filled by admits legally bound to enroll --- even before the poor "regular" applicants are even considered! The "regular" applicants are only admitted at about one fourth or one fifth the rate of the early applicants. Sooner or later Pewnn's addiction to the yield-boosting early admissions program is inevitably going to lead to a relative decline in the number of regular applicants.

Except, Alum02, that many of Penn's peers recently have been seeing dramatic increases in numbers of applicants up through and including this latest ED cycle. John has it right about RD apps. And hopefully, Mr. Furda will quickly determine--if he hasn't already--what needs to be done to put Penn's applicant pool on a significantly more positive growth trend.

Nursing senior Megan Ruedebusch has had a "disheartening" job search. Out of the 15 hospitals she applied to, only about half have gotten back to her - all with negative responses.

"We were told coming in our freshman year that we would never have trouble getting a job," said Colin Plover, also a Nursing senior. Plover said he has applied to three hospitals and heard back from just one, which had already filled its nursing positions.

The tougher job market for nurses - typically a profession with enormous shortages - is a result of a combination of factors, including an increase in the supply of nurses and a decrease in demand for their services.

"When the unemployment rate goes up for other occupations, the nursing unemployment rate goes down," said Beverly Emonds, president of the Philadelphia Area Association of Health Care Recruiters.

Since nursing is a predominantly female profession, she explained, many women who had previously stopped working or were working part-time nursing jobs are now re-entering the workforce because their spouses have lost their jobs in other sectors.

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I've grown up as a Quaker girl, with my parents who graduated in 1975 and 1976 and my brother, a member of the Class of 2005," she said. "When I discovered that nursing was the direction I wanted to take, I knew that Penn, with the top nursing school in the country, would be the perfect fit."