I've known Jocelyn for years, and I highly doubt she will ever change in any sort of positive way. She's always been manipulative and caused other people a lot of pain just so she could be more popular. Yes, I'm saddened that her life has taken this turn, but I am not at all surprised. She deserves to be punished for what she has done to these people. Unfortunately, I still don't know whether or not this experience will make her re-evaluate her life and become a better person or just make her more bitter and attention hungry.

Karl, you are so right. Very good point. What type of punishment are these kids facing? I'm assuming that they will at least have to pay back all the money they stole???

Here, according to the Inquirer, is a sentence from an e-mail Jocelyn Kirsch sent to one of her friends early this week: "Eddie got into some serious trouble over the weekend and my family came up to deal with it." My question for Edward Anderton is this: "What's harder to contemplate, 'Eddie'--the certain prospect of confinement in a not-very-nice prison, or the knowledge (as the little voice in your mind was telling you all along, you dope) that, if the local heat started closing in on the con, your precious darling doctor's daughter would sell you down the river faster than it takes her to blink her fake eyelashes?" Aside: Mental-health practitioners, and students of personality disorders generally, will note that that one e-mailed sentence from Jocelyn pretty much nails down a Narcissistic Personality Disorder diagnosis. (The thousands of dollars for hair extenders don't hurt, either.) Not only does Jocelyn blithely, confidently blame Edward for their mutual troubles, but she just as blithely and confidently casts herself in the role of the heroic savior of a poor soul in trouble.

[QUOTE id="b1050058-ff42-457c-b483-16497cf33862"]Here, according to the Inquirer, is a sentence from an e-mail Jocelyn Kirsch sent to one of her friends early this week: "Eddie got into some serious trouble over the weekend and my family came up to deal with it." My question for Edward Anderton is this: "What's harder to contemplate, 'Eddie'--the certain prospect of confinement in a not-very-nice prison, or the knowledge (as the little voice in your mind was telling you all along, you dope) that, if the local heat started closing in on the con, your precious darling doctor's daughter would sell you down the river faster than it takes her to blink her fake eyelashes?" Aside: Mental-health practitioners, and students of personality disorders generally, will note that that one e-mailed sentence from Jocelyn pretty much nails down a Narcissistic Personality Disorder diagnosis. (The thousands of dollars for hair extenders don't hurt, either.) Not only does Jocelyn blithely, confidently blame Edward for their mutual troubles, but she just as blithely and confidently casts herself in the role of the heroic savior of a poor soul in trouble.[/QUOTE] Jocelyn is such obvious trashy dirt its not even funny. I hope she gets slammed for her greed, her viciousness, and most of all her audacity! When the poor hair dresser texted her about the bounced check after spending 7 hours on her hair, she had the nerve to reply with a threat on the ladies life. On top of that, when the police arrived at the post office, she had the nerve to try to escape in their car. What a brat.

[QUOTE id="fc0e2ebb-a5e6-4562-ba11-0c15ff09493e"]Let's be frank. This is going to be a privileged punishment. If either of these two people had a grandfather named "Muhammad," and they were found with hundreds of fake IDs, Homeland Security would have already shipped them off for indefinite detention in Guantanamo. I hope these bloodsuckers fry. At the very least, they deserve to be waterboarded.[/QUOTE] This is a great point, because our national security is equally threatened by kids stealing money and identity concealing Muslims.

She needs to fry. She was clearly the ringleader, and he was so blinded by what he thought was love that he went along with the whole thing. I almost feel badly for him, as he was probably so jaded by her that he didn't recognize right from wrong. As far as I am concerned, she should be locked up and the key thrown away. He should be reprimanded and serve a small sentence in jail.

http://cbs3.com/local/Edward.Anderton.Jocelyn.2.603105.html Any predictions on jail time?

The amount of jail time will be a factor of the size of the loss (as yet unknown), whether the judge believes either of them is actually contrite, the degree of cooperation in a complicated investigation and whether restitution has been made. One appropriate concept which will not be considered is that most of these losses were sustained by financial institutions and covered by insurance, and these particular entities are among the worst offenders in terms of legalized gouging. The real question- which these posts ignore- is to what extent these two young people can salvage what remains of their lives because there is such a thing as redemption. Amazingly, the fundamentalist Christian right in the country has forgotten the concept of redemption and no longer points out that "let he among you who is without sin cast the first stone." There was a time in this Country when that mattered.

[QUOTE id="660b2ad7-e6ea-4085-8d08-085dfc24a5f2"]The amount of jail time will be a factor of the size of the loss (as yet unknown), whether the judge believes either of them is actually contrite, the degree of cooperation in a complicated investigation and whether restitution has been made. One appropriate concept which will not be considered is that most of these losses were sustained by financial institutions and covered by insurance, and these particular entities are among the worst offenders in terms of legalized gouging. The real question- which these posts ignore- is to what extent these two young people can salvage what remains of their lives because there is such a thing as redemption. Amazingly, the fundamentalist Christian right in the country has forgotten the concept of redemption and no longer points out that "let he among you who is without sin cast the first stone." There was a time in this Country when that mattered.[/QUOTE] They probably won't be able to salvage the rest of their lives...which to some may or may not be sad. The thing you have to think about is if they had not been caught last week, if the girl got away with not paying for her hair extensions, if they continued to get away with breaking into peoples apt and steal their identity, would it have ever stopped? Would Jocelyn have woken up one morning in her 3000 per month apt and just suddenly realized, oh my God, what am I doing? What have I become of? How could I have tried to destroy other peoples financial lives for my own good? NO. Most probably not. She would have continued in an unstoppable greedy cycle and ONLY, when she was caught, only when she faced the prospects of punishment, would she have started to show remorse. That is the sad part of it all. If you read some of the articles about her in the news, so many people (her friends for Gods sake) are happy she was caught and are relieved that after years and years of lies of manipulation that she is actually going to jail. What a person. She should be given the maximum sentence and then given some psych help.

[QUOTE id="660b2ad7-e6ea-4085-8d08-085dfc24a5f2"]The amount of jail time will be a factor of the size of the loss (as yet unknown), whether the judge believes either of them is actually contrite, the degree of cooperation in a complicated investigation and whether restitution has been made. One appropriate concept which will not be considered is that most of these losses were sustained by financial institutions and covered by insurance, and these particular entities are among the worst offenders in terms of legalized gouging. The real question- which these posts ignore- is to what extent these two young people can salvage what remains of their lives because there is such a thing as redemption. Amazingly, the fundamentalist Christian right in the country has forgotten the concept of redemption and no longer points out that "let he among you who is without sin cast the first stone." There was a time in this Country when that mattered.[/QUOTE] They probably won't be able to salvage the rest of their lives...which to some may or may not be sad. The thing you have to think about is if they had not been caught last week, if the girl got away with not paying for her hair extensions, if they continued to get away with breaking into peoples apt and steal their identity, would it have ever stopped? Would Jocelyn have woken up one morning in her 3000 per month apt and just suddenly realized, oh my God, what am I doing? What have I become of? How could I have tried to destroy other peoples financial lives for my own good? NO. Most probably not. She would have continued in an unstoppable greedy cycle and ONLY, when she was caught, only when she faced the prospects of punishment, would she have started to show remorse. That is the sad part of it all. If you read some of the articles about her in the news, so many people (her friends for Gods sake) are happy she was caught and are relieved that after years and years of lies of manipulation that she is actually going to jail. What a person. She should be given the maximum sentence and then given some psych help.

Judging from the Daily News photo, Jocyelyn appears to be a seriously hot young woman with a real zest for life at (and then way over) the edge. While perhaps unfair to Jocelyn, her partner in crime - who may have thrown his Wharton diploma in the garbage can in exchange for a few months of thrills- may simply be that most average of people, the guy with the big brain but so coddled by the Penn bubble that he could not recognize extreme danger when he saw it. This couple appears in at at least one tragic and one comedy written by Shakespeare, dozens of midieval morality plays, a host of biblical fables and a zillion Hollywood movies. DP, this is real life! Follow that story!

Let's be frank. This is going to be a privileged punishment. If either of these two people had a grandfather named "Muhammad," and they were found with hundreds of fake IDs, Homeland Security would have already shipped them off for indefinite detention in Guantanamo. I hope these bloodsuckers fry. At the very least, they deserve to be waterboarded.

I was wondering how the pair would be accountable for postal fraud as it seems like they would have everything sent to their P.O. Box? It would be difficult to continually receive packages if say they changed one or a few letters or numbers.